I agree that the sawed off needs to be a pickup weapon. It's WAYYYY to overpowered, and if you're any good at camping, you're guaranteed a kill no matter how skilled you are at the game. I haven't even tried the retro lancer yet, and I don't plan on it. I am too good with the Bursty to use anything else.

Both are "newb" weapons and Retro needs to be fixed and Sawedoff needs to be a pick-up weapon.

What is wrong with the Retro? It has hardly any ammo capacity compared to the regular lancer. Not only that, but that recoil/spread of the gun is difficult to control.

The sawed off is just fine also. It takes FOREVER to reload. You miss and you're toast. The only thing I dislike is how BOTH people can kill each other with it. LoL

Okay I just finally tried the beta and I don't see the appeal anymore. It's just a bunch of people running around with shotguns.

Plus they throw like 100 awardables at you to try to keep you playing. I guess I missed out on a flaming hammerburst for waiting so long to play the beta lol. I haven't played a shooter on the console for so long I can't really play it without a mouse lol. And it felt too slow for me compared to Halo in the movement and aiming.

I can see the appeal it has for some, but I'm not really into competitive multiplayer much anymore, co-op is more fun for me (like Portal 2, and maybe Horde mode).

Now commence the flame war defending the game.

It's ok that you don't like it. I'm not going to flame you. Everyone has their preferences. Personally I like the slower, grittier aspect of it compared to Halo (which I get completely owned in by the way). And shotgun noobs are easily countered by some slick rolling (not related to rick rolling mind you) and gratuitous use of machine guns from a distance.

I love when people using the sawed off try to charge me like an idiot when I'm holding down a spot with a lancer. LoL

That's the good thing about it though. As with the previous games, Epic is throwing a ton of different modes into it. I'll probably enjoy Horde and Beast modes a lot. I kind of prefer the co-operative modes. Firefight in Halo Reach is loads of fun, even in single player.

What is wrong with the Retro? It has hardly any ammo capacity compared to the regular lancer. Not only that, but that recoil/spread of the gun is difficult to control.

The sawed off is just fine also. It takes FOREVER to reload. You miss and you're toast. The only thing I dislike is how BOTH people can kill each other with it. LoL

Haha! It's the fact you can sit behind cover and pop up and kill someone or you can down someone with a gun that should be death or no death. Retro is AMAZINGLY STRONG for a blind-fire at semi long range. Try it. Everyone is complaining about it.